[Teaching_Composition] NEW MODULE
Chris Anson
teaching_composition@mailman.eppg.com
Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:52:24 -0400
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On Oct 12, 2006, at 10:04 AM, danentwi wrote:
> Chris-
>
> Don't worry about calling me "Derek." During the Spring 06
> semester, I had a
> student
> who emailed her messages to "Dan." I think you''ve inadvertantly
> helped me
> create a
> new persona! ;-)
>
> No apologies necessary, no offense taken.
Dave--"Dan" is a bit better than what one of my students kept
addressing me by ("Hey, dude"). At first I thought it was a sign that
I had successfully bonded with the class. But then I wondered whether
my provost would think he had successfully bonded with me if I wrote
him emails that started, "Hey, dude," or if my dean would think she'd
developed a good rapport with me if I addressed her as "Hey, babe,"
or maybe what was popular in the mid-90's, "Hey, dudette" (complete
with diminutive).
>
>
> I guess what I was trying to emphasize the distinction between
> "despite" and
> "because
> of." I read the intent of your post as pointing to the increasing
> "common-ness" of the
> English language (the spread of English as a global language) as a
> factor of
> linguistic
> homogenization. Did I read you correctly?
Yeah, I think that line was just muddled. I meant something like,
"Look, we know that lots of folks want to stamp out linguistic
diversity, and many would love it if they didn't have to bother with
other languages at all--if English were the World's One True Language
and everyone spoke whatever American version of the King's English we
could agree on, if we could, in fact, agree on it. But *in spite* of
their intentions and efforts, we still have lots of linguistic
diversity on our campuses (which many of us like). But it also sets
up complex, competing actions based on complex, conflicting ideologies."
What you've pointed out so astutely is that *because* of the fact
that non-English-speaking students learn English--enough to come to
American colleges and universities--"we" (those who work in higher
ed.--ourselves linguistically diverse) end up with greater language
diversity among us. If they (students from other countries) were
unable to speak a word of English, they wouldn't be here. Which
creates in me a tangle of thoughts I've been trying to unravel. For
example--they learn English and we get more language diversity here,
which we like. They learn English partly to compete in the global
marketplace, a good thing in some ways and a problematic thing in
others (as we discussed--language dominance, the dominance of
American values, the dominance of American corporate politics, etc.--
the stuff Ivan Illich shook up the American student volunteers in
Mexico with in 1968 when he gave a speech titled "The Hell with Good
Intentions" (see chilling excerpts at the end of this email). Are we
motivated to like language diversity for our own sake/pleasure/
edification? What do L2 speakers of English say about language
difference--are the values the same? (I've had SE Asian students ask
me to be as heavy as I can with the red pen--identify every error
they make, which is not at all my style; many of us have even written
against it). I like and appreciate what Tony Sylva calls the "written
accents" of these students, but the students themselves want me to
annihilate those accents. What to do? This issue reminds me of the
experience I had first reading Lisa Delpitt's _Other People's
Children_, who wrote such unsettling (to me) things as, "Progressive
white teachers seem to say to their black students, 'Let me help you
find your voice. I promise not to criticize one note as you search
for your own song.' But the black teachers say, 'I've heard your song
loud and clear. Now, I want to teach you to harmonize with the rest
of the world.'" (p. 18)
>
> My argument is that the global spread of English *contributes* to
> linguistic
> diversity on
> our campuses. For example, as English takes hold as a second or third
> language, or a
> lingua franca, in places around the world, more people learn
> English and thus
> have a
> better opportunity for studying abroad in an English speaking
> country. That
> is, even
> though English is becoming the language of the world, that English
> is not
> monolithic and
> students come to American campuses with many *Englishes*, most of
> which could
> be
> labeled "non-standard>"
Yes.
>
> One thing about English around the world: it's often associated
> with America
> and things/
> ideas American. This sociolinguistic factor results in an increased
> desire, I
> think, to study
> in the States. So students with some faciltiy/fluency in English
> are more
> likely to come to
> the US for college study, and they bring their own local/regional
> varieties of
> English with
> them. Often, these varieties serve quite well where these folks
> come from, but
> when they
> arrive here their English marks them as "foreign," "ESL," "non-
> native" or what
> have you.
>
Right. In some places, though, we're seeing "insourcing" (if we build
it here, they will come). Great example: Education City in Doha,
Qatar. 2500-acre campus that has installations of 5 U.S. universities
(Cornell Med Center, Texas A&M, Georgetown, Carnegie-Mellon . . . )
and growing. Millions of dollars in startup. Goals to be a world-
class educational conglomerate, filled with faculty from the U.S. and
elsewhere. English (in multiple varieties) is and will be the
language of instruction, but it's in an Arabic-speaking country.
> I agree with those who have pointed out their admiration for
> students who
> choose to
> study in English when it is a second or third or fourth language
> for them. I
> have some
> fluency in French, but I don't know if I would be brave enough to
> enroll in a
> graduate
> program at a French language institution. When more people around
> the world
> learn
> English, more of them become eligible to take, and pass, the TOEFL,
> and
> thereby
> become eligible to study here. This is what I mean when I say
> "because of."
>
> What is unfortunate is that, as you point out, when these varieties
> of English
> appear on
> our campuses, students run smack into forces at work to marginalize
> and erase
> them.
> Varieties that are born of community-building and communicative
> need elsewhere
> become markers of exclusion here.
Yes, exactly.
>
> I really enjoy Dissanayake's discussion of "Indian English" in
> literary works.
> He
> celebrates the new collocations, the new lexical values assigned to
> existing
> words, the
> morphological creativity, and so on that we see in emerging
> varieties of
> English around
> the world. Pennycook takes up this issue as well (_Cultural
> Politics of
> English as an
> International Language_). And I like Canagarajah's book too
> (Geopolitics of
> Academic
> Writing), for his discussion of how the conventions of Western
> academic
> writing/
> publishing work to marginalize writing and knowledge production by
> "non-native" writers.
> And I agree with you: Nettle and Romaine's book is a must for all
> of us as we
> try to make
> good sense out of how to live and work in a world where, as some
> have argued,
> English
> has achieved the status of a global language.
Yes--some interesting puzzles here. Dude, this topic is going to be
the end of my other work for a while! :-)
>
> best,
>
> Dave (Derek)
From "The Hell with Good Intentions": "You, like the values you
carry, are the products of an American society of achievers and
consumers, with its two-party system, its universal schooling, and
its family-car affluence. You are ultimately--consciously or uncon-
sciously--"salesmen" for a delusive ballet in the ideas of
democracy, equal opportunity and free enterprise among people
who haven't the possibility of profiting from these."
And this:
"Your reports about your work in Mexico, which you so kindly
sent me, exude self-complacency. Your reports on past summers
prove that you are not even capable of understanding that your do-
gooding in a Mexican village is even less relevant than it would be
in a U.S. ghetto. Not only is there a gulf between what you have and
what others have which is much greater than the one existing
between you and the poor in your own country, but there is also a
gulf between what you feel and what the Mexican people feel that is
incomparably greater. This gulf is so great that in a Mexican village
you, as White Americans (or cultural white Americans) can imagine
yourselves exactly the way a white preacher saw himself when he
offered his life preaching to the black slaves on a plantation in
Alabama. The fact that you live in huts and eat tortillas for a few
weeks renders your well-intentioned group only a bit more pictur-
esque."
--
Chris M. Anson [Web site]
Professor of English
Director, Campus Writing and Speaking Program
Box 8105, North Carolina State University
Raleigh, NC 27695-8105
(919) 513-4080
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margin-left: 0px; ">No apologies necessary, no offense =
taken.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Dave--"Dan" is a bit better =
than what one of my students kept addressing me by ("Hey, dude"). At =
first I thought it was a sign that I had successfully bonded with the =
class. But then I wondered whether my provost would think he had =
successfully bonded with me if I wrote him emails that started, "Hey, =
dude," or if my dean would think she'd developed a good rapport with me =
if I addressed her as "Hey, babe," or maybe what was popular in the =
mid-90's, "Hey, dudette" (complete with =
diminutive).</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
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margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I guess what I was trying to =
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margin-left: 0px; ">"common-ness" of the<SPAN =
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language (the spread of English as<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=
</SPAN>a global language) as a factor of<SPAN =
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style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">homogenization. Did I read you =
correctly?</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Yeah, I think that line was =
just muddled. I meant something like, "Look, we know that lots of folks =
want to stamp out linguistic diversity, and many would love it if they =
didn't have to bother with other languages at all--if English were the =
World's One True Language and everyone spoke whatever American version =
of the King's English we could agree on, if we could, in fact, agree on =
it.=A0 But *in spite* of their intentions and efforts, we still have =
lots of linguistic diversity on our campuses (which many of us like). =
But it also sets up complex, competing actions based on complex, =
conflicting ideologies."=A0=A0</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>What you've pointed out so =
astutely is that *because* of the fact that non-English-speaking =
students learn English--enough to come to American colleges and =
universities--"we" (those who work in higher ed.--ourselves =
linguistically diverse) end up with greater language diversity among us. =
If they (students from other countries) were unable to speak a word of =
English, they wouldn't be here. Which creates in me a tangle of thoughts =
I've been trying to unravel. For example--they learn English and we get =
more language diversity here, which we like. They learn English partly =
to compete in the global marketplace, a good thing in some ways and a =
problematic thing in others (as we discussed--language dominance, the =
dominance of American values, the dominance of American corporate =
politics, etc.--the stuff Ivan Illich shook up the American student =
volunteers in Mexico with in 1968 when he gave a speech titled "The Hell =
with Good Intentions" (see chilling excerpts at the end of this email). =
Are we motivated to like language diversity for our own =
sake/pleasure/edification? What do L2 speakers of English say about =
language difference--are the values the same? (I've had SE Asian =
students ask me to be as heavy as I can with the red pen--identify every =
error they make, which is not at all my style; many of us have even =
written against it). I like and appreciate what Tony Sylva calls the =
"written accents" of these students, but the students themselves want me =
to annihilate those accents. What to do? This issue reminds me of the =
experience I had first reading Lisa Delpitt's _Other People's Children_, =
who wrote such unsettling (to me) things as,=A0"<FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#000000">Progressive white teachers =
seem to say to their black students, 'Let me help you find your voice. I =
promise not to criticize one note as you search for your own song.' But =
the black teachers say, 'I've heard your song loud and clear. Now, I =
want to teach you to harmonize with the rest of the world.'" (p. =
18)</FONT></DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV=
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">My =
argument is that the global spread of English *contributes* to =
linguistic<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">diversity on<SPAN =
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0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">our =
campuses. For example, as English takes hold as a second or third<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">language, or a<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV=
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">lingua franca, in places around the world, more =
people learn English and thus<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">have =
a<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">better opportunity for studying abroad in an English =
speaking country. That<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">is, =
even<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">though English is becoming the language of the =
world, that English is not<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">monolithic and<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV=
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">students come to American campuses with many =
*Englishes*, most of which could<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">be<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">labeled =
"non-standard>"</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>Yes.</DIV><DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">One thing about English around the world: it's often =
associated with America<SPAN =
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0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">and =
things/</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">ideas American. This =
sociolinguistic factor results in an increased desire, I<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">think, =
to study<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">in the States. So students with some =
faciltiy/fluency in English are more<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">likely =
to come to<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">the US for college study, and they bring their own =
local/regional varieties of<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">English =
with<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">them. Often, these varieties serve quite well where =
these folks come from, but<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">when =
they<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">arrive here their English marks them as "foreign," =
"ESL," "non-native" or what<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">have =
you.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; =
"><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV>Right. In some places, though, we're =
seeing "insourcing" (if we build it here, they will come). Great =
example: Education City in Doha, Qatar. 2500-acre campus that has =
installations of 5 U.S. universities (Cornell Med Center, Texas A&M, =
Georgetown, Carnegie-Mellon . . . ) and growing. Millions of dollars in =
startup. Goals to be a world-class educational conglomerate, filled with =
faculty from the U.S. and elsewhere. English (in multiple varieties) is =
and will be the language of instruction, but it's in an Arabic-speaking =
country.</DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I agree with those who have =
pointed out their admiration for students who<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">choose =
to<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">study in English when it is a second or third or =
fourth language for them. I<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">have =
some<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">fluency in French, but I don't know if I would be =
brave enough to enroll in a<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">graduate<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">program at a French language institution. When more =
people around the world<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">learn<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">English, more of them become eligible to take, and =
pass, the TOEFL, and<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">thereby<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">become eligible to study here.<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>This is what I mean when I =
say "because of."</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">What is unfortunate is that, as you point out, when =
these varieties of English<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">appear =
on<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">our campuses, students run smack into forces at work =
to marginalize and erase<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">them.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Varieties that are born of community-building and =
communicative need elsewhere<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">become =
markers of exclusion here.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>Yes, exactly.<BR><BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">I really enjoy Dissanayake's discussion of "Indian =
English" in literary works.<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">He<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">celebrates the new collocations, the new lexical values assigned to =
existing<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">words, the<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">morphological creativity, and so on that we see in emerging varieties =
of<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">English around<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">the =
world. Pennycook takes up this issue as well (_Cultural Politics of<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">English =
as an<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">International Language_). And I like Canagarajah's =
book too (Geopolitics of<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">Academic<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Writing), for his discussion of how the conventions =
of Western academic<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">writing/</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">publishing work to marginalize =
writing and knowledge production by<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">"non-native" writers.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">And I agree =
with you: Nettle and Romaine's book is a must for all of us as we<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">try to =
make<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">good sense out of how to live and work in a world =
where, as some have argued,<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">English<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">has achieved the status of a global =
language.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Yes--some interesting =
puzzles here. Dude, this topic is going to be the end of my other work =
for a while! :-)</DIV></DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">best,</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Dave =
(Derek)</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>=46rom "The Hell with Good =
Intentions": "<FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Times" =
size=3D"4"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: =
16px;">You, like the values you</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Times" =
size=3D"4"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: =
16px;">carry, are the products of an American society of achievers =
and</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Times" size=3D"4"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-size: 16px;">consumers, with its two-party system, its =
universal schooling, and</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Times" size=3D"4"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">its family-car =
affluence. You are ultimately--consciously or =
uncon-</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Times" size=3D"4"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: =
16px;">sciously--"salesmen" for a delusive ballet in the ideas =
of</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Times" size=3D"4"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-size: 16px;">democracy, equal opportunity and free =
enterprise among people</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Times" size=3D"4"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">who haven't the =
possibility of profiting from these."</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>And this:</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Times" size=3D"4"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">"Your reports =
about your work in Mexico, which you so kindly</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Times" =
size=3D"4"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: =
16px;">sent me, exude self-complacency. Your reports on past =
summers</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Times" size=3D"4"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">prove that you are =
not even capable of understanding that your do-</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Times" =
size=3D"4"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: =
16px;">gooding in a Mexican village is even less relevant than it would =
be</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Times" size=3D"4"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-size: 16px;">in a U.S. ghetto. Not only is there a gulf =
between what you have and</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Times" size=3D"4"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">what others have =
which is much greater than the one existing</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Times" =
size=3D"4"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: =
16px;">between you and the poor in your own country, but there is also =
a</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Times" size=3D"4"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-size: 16px;">gulf between what you feel and what the =
Mexican people feel that is</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Times" size=3D"4"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">incomparably =
greater. This gulf is so great that in a Mexican =
village</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Times" size=3D"4"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">you, as White =
Americans (or cultural white Americans) can =
imagine</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Times" size=3D"4"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">yourselves exactly =
the way a white preacher saw himself when he</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Times" =
size=3D"4"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: =
16px;">offered his life preaching to the black slaves on a plantation =
in</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Times" size=3D"4"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-size: 16px;">Alabama. The fact that you live in huts and =
eat tortillas for a few</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Times" size=3D"4"><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: 16px;">weeks renders your =
well-intentioned group only a bit more pictur-</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV =
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margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Times" =
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