[Teaching_Composition] Re: another plagiarism story
Rebecca Moore Howard
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I agree with you, Britton. Students do need to know how seriously the
academy (and we as individuals) take these issues. And when students
just can't or won't learn and observe those expectations, I become what
one contributor to this list called "a traditionalist"--a gatekeeper
who's willing to impose sanctions. I'm glad to know that you've gotten
through to this student; too many, I'm afraid, regard this as "just
another expectation that teachers have," like the avoidance of comma
errors. And too many think that teachers don't notice or won't stir
themselves to act.
Becky
On Tuesday, November 18, 2003, at 06:22 PM, Britton Gildersleeve wrote:
> Today I had my second discussion this semester w/ a student who had
> irrefutably plagiarised four separate websites on her paper. And did I
> mention she'd done this once before?
>
> Today the plagiarism was more comprehensive, and much more problematic
> to
> me, since it was now a pattern. She had the same story: a teacher who
> helped
> her 'revise' must have taken out all her quotation marks and
> citations. I
> have to say I don't believe her...
>
> What I found most disturbing was that despite several discussions of
> plagiarism in class, w/ my _strong_ emphasis on intellectual
> properties, and
> several class conversations about credibility, academic discourse
> community
> 'rules,' etc., my student had no idea of the severe consequences
> possible at
> our university (and others). When I told her that students in the
> country
> had been expelled for academic dishonesty, that she would lose her
> scholarship if I took her absolutely certain plagiarism to the
> university
> authorities, and that the accusation would haunt her transcript pretty
> much
> eternally (precluding many other scholarships), she was horrified. This
> obviously had not been quite that big a deal to her.
>
> Perhaps we need to make clearer to our students how seriously the
> academic
> community takes plagiarism. We do our students a disservice not to
> emphasise
> how negatively the university and its attendant citizens view
> plagiarism. I
> think my student intentionally plagiarised, and chose to do so despite
> my
> discussions in class. However, I'd like to think that if I had spent
> more
> time on consequences, she might have made a better choice. But then, we
> always wonder what _we_ could have done differently, don't we?
>
> Britton Gildersleeve
> Oklahoma State University
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: teaching_composition-admin@mailman.eppg.com
> [mailto:teaching_composition-admin@mailman.eppg.com]On Behalf Of Nancy
> M. Fisher
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 4:07 PM
> To: teaching_composition@mailman.eppg.com
> Subject: [Teaching_Composition] Re: another plagiarism story
>
>
> I've got to add yet another plagiarism story. When I confronted one
> student
> with a copy of his paper which I found on the internet (a la google),
> he was
> astounded. "I didn't use the internet," he said. "I copied it out of
> a
> book."
>
> teaching_composition-request@mailman.eppg.com wrote:
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>> From: "Nick Carbone" <nick_carbone@hotmail.com>
>> To: teaching_composition@mailman.eppg.com
>> Subject: Re: [Teaching_Composition] Plagiarism Websites
>> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:15:32 -0700
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>> Jennifer--
>>
>> Boston U. tried going to court to block online term paper mills. They
>> had
>> successfully gone to court to block physical paper mills from
>> advertising
> on
>> campus. You may have seen these flyers on your local campuses, tacked
>> on
>> bulletin boards, advertising papers.
>>
>> For more on legal issues overall, check out:
>>
>> "Plagiarism in Colleges in the USA," by Ronald B. Standler
>> (http://www.rbs2.com/plag.htm). Standler, an attorney in
>> Massachusetts,
>> provides an overview of case law on plagiarism, and offers opinions on
> legal
>> issues involving plagiarism accusations and procedures.
>>
>> Sandler's argued that you don't need direct proof, aka the original
> source,
>> but Deans and judicial committees and school lawyers tend get skittish
>> without direct proof. If you have the spark notes and some of the
>> paper,
> you
>> should have enough. Also, check some more on the paper, it might be on
>> another mill site for free.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> nick_carbone at hotmail.com (to email, replace at with @, and close
>> the
>> spaces)
>>
>> http://ncarbone.blogspot.com and/or
>> http://ncarbone.blogspot.com/TeachingWriting
>>
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I agree with you, Britton. Students <italic>do</italic> need to know
how seriously the academy (and we as individuals) take these issues.
And when students just can't or won't learn and observe those
expectations, I become what one contributor to this list called "a
traditionalist"--a gatekeeper who's willing to impose sanctions. I'm
glad to know that you've gotten through to this student; too many,
I'm afraid, regard this as "just another expectation that teachers
have," like the avoidance of comma errors. And too many think that
teachers don't notice or won't stir themselves to act.
Becky
On Tuesday, November 18, 2003, at 06:22 PM, Britton Gildersleeve wrote:
<excerpt>Today I had my second discussion this semester w/ a student
who had
irrefutably plagiarised four separate websites on her paper. And did I
mention she'd done this once before?
Today the plagiarism was more comprehensive, and much more problematic
to
me, since it was now a pattern. She had the same story: a teacher who
helped
her 'revise' must have taken out all her quotation marks and
citations. I
have to say I don't believe her...
What I found most disturbing was that despite several discussions of
plagiarism in class, w/ my _strong_ emphasis on intellectual
properties, and
several class conversations about credibility, academic discourse
community
'rules,' etc., my student had no idea of the severe consequences
possible at
our university (and others). When I told her that students in the
country
had been expelled for academic dishonesty, that she would lose her
scholarship if I took her absolutely certain plagiarism to the
university
authorities, and that the accusation would haunt her transcript pretty
much
eternally (precluding many other scholarships), she was horrified. This
obviously had not been quite that big a deal to her.
Perhaps we need to make clearer to our students how seriously the
academic
community takes plagiarism. We do our students a disservice not to
emphasise
how negatively the university and its attendant citizens view
plagiarism. I
think my student intentionally plagiarised, and chose to do so despite
my
discussions in class. However, I'd like to think that if I had spent
more
time on consequences, she might have made a better choice. But then, we
always wonder what _we_ could have done differently, don't we?
Britton Gildersleeve
Oklahoma State University
-----Original Message-----
From: teaching_composition-admin@mailman.eppg.com
[mailto:teaching_composition-admin@mailman.eppg.com]On Behalf Of Nancy
M. Fisher
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 4:07 PM
To: teaching_composition@mailman.eppg.com
Subject: [Teaching_Composition] Re: another plagiarism story
I've got to add yet another plagiarism story. When I confronted one
student
with a copy of his paper which I found on the internet (a la google),
he was
astounded. "I didn't use the internet," he said. "I copied it out of a
book."
teaching_composition-request@mailman.eppg.com wrote:
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From: "Nick Carbone" <<nick_carbone@hotmail.com>
To: teaching_composition@mailman.eppg.com
Subject: Re: [Teaching_Composition] Plagiarism Websites
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:15:32 -0700
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Jennifer--
Boston U. tried going to court to block online term paper mills. They
had
successfully gone to court to block physical paper mills from
advertising
</excerpt>on
<excerpt>campus. You may have seen these flyers on your local
campuses, tacked on
bulletin boards, advertising papers.
For more on legal issues overall, check out:
"Plagiarism in Colleges in the USA," by Ronald B. Standler
(http://www.rbs2.com/plag.htm). Standler, an attorney in Massachusetts,
provides an overview of case law on plagiarism, and offers opinions on
</excerpt>legal
<excerpt>issues involving plagiarism accusations and procedures.
Sandler's argued that you don't need direct proof, aka the original
</excerpt>source,
<excerpt>but Deans and judicial committees and school lawyers tend get
skittish
without direct proof. If you have the spark notes and some of the
paper,
</excerpt>you
<excerpt>should have enough. Also, check some more on the paper, it
might be on
another mill site for free.
Nick
nick_carbone at hotmail.com (to email, replace at with @, and close the
spaces)
http://ncarbone.blogspot.com and/or
http://ncarbone.blogspot.com/TeachingWriting
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