From ECSCHEURER@stthomas.edu Mon Jun 4 04:48:11 2007 From: ECSCHEURER@stthomas.edu (Scheurer, Erika C.) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 22:48:11 -0500 Subject: [Teaching_Basic_Writing] Re: Placement Question Message-ID: <06892F6F0783B44C88CB3656C0C19400451868@UST-EXCHBE1.stthomas.edu> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C7A65B.2BE3F6A7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" At my university, we use the ACT to identify students who may benefit from BW (we call the course "Intensive Writing"). Students with an English and/or Reading ACT score of 19 or less and whose high school grades in English are sketchy take a written placement test when they come to campus for summer orientation. The essay question typically asks for description and analysis. We then holistically score these tests using critieria designed to differentiate those who would benefit from the extra writing course from those who could probably succeed in the standard first English course. Typically, those who get recommended for Intensive Writing (which usually is about half of those tested) have difficulty developing their ideas and/or analyzing what they have described. The students then can choose to be in our BW program or not. While it isn't perfect, having actual writing from students instead of just the standardized test scores and high school grades has really improved our placement efforts. In recent years, we also added in a questionnaire to give us a sense of how much experience students have had with academic writing, their level of writing anxiety, and typical writing process. This questionnaire has helped us when we have borderline cases. I'm always on the lookout for ways of improving placement and would welcome hearing about what others do. --Erika Scheurer Assoc. Professor of English Coordinator, Academic Development Program University of Saint Thomas 2115 Summit Ave., Mail #333 JRC Saint Paul, MN 55105 _____ From: teaching_basic_writing-request@mailman.eppg.com [mailto:teaching_basic_writing-request@mailman.eppg.com] Sent: Thu 5/31/2007 12:01 PM To: teaching_basic_writing@mailman.eppg.com Subject: Teaching_Basic_Writing digest, Vol 1 #787 - 1 msg Send Teaching_Basic_Writing mailing list submissions to teaching_basic_writing@mailman.eppg.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.eppg.com/mailman/listinfo/teaching_basic_writing or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to teaching_basic_writing-request@mailman.eppg.com You can reach the person managing the list at teaching_basic_writing-admin@mailman.eppg.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Teaching_Basic_Writing digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Placement Question (emwhite@email.arizona.edu) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:29:41 -0700 From: emwhite@email.arizona.edu To: teaching_basic_writing@mailman.eppg.com Subject: [Teaching_Basic_Writing] Re: Placement Question We should be very clear about the role of multiple-choice testing as a means of placing students in BW. Such tests in general and the SAT in particular (remember, the new SAT "writing" test is still mostly multiple-choice) correlate most highly with parent income. Rich Haswell's summaries of the research, among many others, show a very low correlation of those tests to anything writing teachers call "writing ability." The tests are nonetheless very convenient for admissions offices, which, reasonably enough from their perspective, don't much like writing teachers complicating their lives by pointing out this problem. It is, however, simply unethical to use such tests for placement. If any of you can get to the WPA conference in Tempe this July, I'll be giving the banquet talk on this and related matters. --Ed White, visiting professor, University of Arizona I've > taught BW for 7 or 8 times (including the university > and community college), no one at either school has > talked to me--or presumably other adjuncts--about the > placement test(s) the school uses, or the implications > of those results for teaching in the classroom. > > On the other hand, except for ONE occurrence in fall > 2006, in 15 years of teaching at the university and > nearly 4 at the community college, no administrator, > department chair, or other faculty has ever come into > my classroom to watch me teach or make suggestions. Or > asked to. Any ratings I get, except for that one > observation, are always based on student Kirkpatrick > levels 1 and 2 evaluations. (I liked, I learned...) > > Yes, I suppose I can go prowling... > > For those of you who acquire BW students through > placement and later teach them in the classroom, do > you know--and use--any information from that placement > process, or do you just accept the "Here's our class!" > status and go on from there? > jan > janetwbone@yahoo.com > > --- Kimme Nuckles wrote: > >> Rich: >> Do you remember where you read that empirical data >> on the SAT scores and their value in placement? We >> use the COMPASS here, which is all multiple choice. >> >> Kimme Nuckles, PhD >> Dean of General Education >> English/Communications Dept. 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Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 06/01/2007 and will not return until 06/06/2007.