From Laura.Gray-Rosendale@NAU.EDU Thu Feb 1 00:25:37 2007 From: Laura.Gray-Rosendale@NAU.EDU (Laura Gray-Rosendale) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:25:37 -0700 Subject: [Teaching_Basic_Writing] NEW MODULE POSTED!!!!!!BASIC WRITING FOR MULTILINGUAL STUDENTS Message-ID: <000001c74597$7f911020$22727286@eng.nau.edu> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_BMBqbup7c2u3y6y1e6An9g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Welcome back! Happy New Year to you all! I hope everyone had a relaxi= ng break. Many thanks to Catherine Pavia for our last module. =20 It is now time to turn to our next module offered by Robin Murie and = Molly Collins, both experts in the connections between high school and coll= ege writing as well as basic writing and ESL. It is titled "Playing to Strengths: Basic Writing For Multilingual Students." It can be found = at http://www.mhhe.com/socscience/english/tbw/MurieCollins/muriecollins_= module. html. =20 Robin Murie is Director of the Commanding English Program at Universi= ty of Minnesota General College. She has been working within and between hi= gh school and college for over 26 years, teaching freshman writing to non-native speakers of English, and directing the Commanding English = Program (for immigrant students graduating from U.S. high schools). The Comm= anding English Program is a learning community for first-year college studen= ts, but they also run three high school programs where they offer our courses (writing, immigration literature, reading adjunct to cultural anthrop= ology, etc) to a cohort of high school juniors and seniors. She also does a= lot of high school visits in order to help multilingual students with the co= llege application process. She is responsible for staff and students in a freshman language program for refugee/immigrant non-native speakers o= f English where she coordinates outreach partnerships for language-mino= rity high school students at Edison H.S.(since 1991), Roosevelt H.S.(since= 1998), and Washburn H.S. (2004) in Minneapolis. Robin has published her wo= rk in a wide range of journals including the _Journal of Basic Writing_, _Jou= rnal of Teaching in Marriage and Family_, and the _Journal of Second Language Writing_. Robin has also received the Harold B. Allen award for Excel= lence in TESOL, MinneTESOL 2005, the University of Minnesota Academic Profe= ssional and Administrative Staff Award, 2001, and the Alfred L. Vaughan Award= for Outstanding Service to the General College, 2000. =20 Molly Collins is currently a senior teaching specialist in the PSTL p= rogram in the College of Education and Human Development at the University o= f Minnesota General College. She works closely with the Commanding Eng= lish Program. Many of her students, refugees and immigrants, are often bot= h basic writers and 2nd language learners. In addition, she has taught classe= s to basic writers who are native speakers of English, and have noticed an= d thought about the similarities and differences between these groups o= f students a lot as she has developed courses, taught courses and worke= d with students. She is interested in sharing these thoughts and ideas wit= h other teachers doing similar work. Molly has also published her work in sim= ilar venues (Robin and Molly have co-written a number of essays), as well = as MinneTESOL/WITESOL and MinneTESOL Journal. Molly has also presented h= er work at local and national conferences-working closely with high school an= d college programs. =20 =20 Here are their questions for discussion. Robin and Molly, take it awa= y! Best wishes, Laura =20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- ---- What kinds of writing topics play to students' strengths, as multi-li= ngual, multi-cultural writers? Assignments that allow for a variety of voice= s and experiences work well. Multilingual students, like other basic writer= s, struggle with feelings of authority when writing, and depending on th= eir experiences with formal education, may have seen themselves as Englis= h deficient, rather than as having the strength of multiple perspective= and language. What scaffolding of assignments and readings work to build academic v= oice and competence? Typical basic writing classrooms often go from a pers= onal voice to an academic voice. There may be additional problems with dev= eloping an academic language voice in a second or third language. Do assignme= nts seem to work best when starting with the personal and branching out? = Are there layering of assignments that work better than others when desig= ning a whole writing course? What about within an assignment? What happens to the multilingual student when they are the only one i= n a class of monolingual English speakers? Do peer reviews turn into gram= mar editing sessions? Is content lost in favor of grammar editing? How ca= n teachers respond to the ideas in the paper and balance that with the language work students often so desperately need? How does the cultural context of texts affect multilingual students? Students may struggle with cultural contexts that are more readily accessible to native born students. How can teachers work with studen= ts to make all readings accessible? How can students make meaning of readin= gs that they don't fully understand to be able to use them in their writing? How well do we know our students? Is this a U.S.-born student whose p= arents speak limited English? A well-educated Vietnamese student who has rec= ently arrived in the U.S. and is not as fluent with the idiom of the langua= ge but has studied English grammar extensively? A U.S.-educated student who = spent 5 years in a refugee camp in Africa with no formal schooling during tha= t time. How do these differences in educational background play out in our classrooms? --Boundary_(ID_BMBqbup7c2u3y6y1e6An9g) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE
Welcome back! Happy New Year to you all! I hope ev= eryone had a relaxing break. Many thanks to Catherine Pavia for our last module.=
It is now time to turn to our next module offered = by Robin Murie and Molly Collins, both experts in the connections between high schoo= l and college writing as well as basic writing and ESL. It is titled “= ;Playing to Strengths: Basic Writing For Multilingual Students.” It can = be found at http://www.mhhe.com/socscience/english/tbw/Murie= Collins/muriecollins_module.html.
Robin Murie is Director of the Commanding English =
Program at
University of Minnesota General College. She has been working within =
and
between high school and college for over 26 years, teaching freshman =
writing to
non-native speakers of English, and directing the Commanding English =
Program
(for immigrant students graduating from U.S.
Molly Collins is currently a senior teaching speci=
alist in
the PSTL program in the
Here are their questions for discussion. Robin and= Molly, take it away! Best wishes, Laura
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What kinds of writing topics play to students’ strengths, as
multi-lingual, multi-cultural writers? Assignments that allow for a v=
ariety of
voices and experiences work well. Multilingual students, like other b=
asic
writers, struggle with feelings of authority when writing, and depend=
ing on
their experiences with formal education, may have seen themselves as =
English
deficient, rather than as having the strength of multiple perspective=
and
language.
What scaffolding of assignments and readings work to build academic v=
oice and
competence? Typical basic writing classrooms often go from a personal=
voice to
an academic voice. There may be additional problems with developing a=
n academic
language voice in a second or third language. Do assignments seem to =
work best
when starting with the personal and branching out? Are there layering=
of
assignments that work better than others when designing a whole writi=
ng course?
What about within an assignment?
What happens to the multilingual student when they are the only one i=
n a class
of monolingual English speakers? Do peer reviews turn into grammar ed=
iting
sessions? Is content lost in favor of grammar editing? How can teache=
rs respond
to the ideas in the paper and balance that with the language work stu=
dents
often so desperately need?
How does the cultural context of texts affect multilingual students? =
Students
may struggle with cultural contexts that are more readily accessible =
to native
born students. How can teachers work with students to make all readin=
gs
accessible? How can students make meaning of readings that they don=
8217;t
fully understand to be able to use them in their writing?
How well do we know our students? Is this a U.S.-born student whose p=
arents
speak limited English? A well-educated Vietnamese student who has rec=
ently
arrived in the U.S. and is not as fluent wi=
th the idiom
of the language but has studied English grammar extensively? A U.S.-e=
ducated
student who spent 5 years in a refugee camp in Afri=
ca with no
formal schooling during that time. How do these differences in educat=
ional
background play out in our classrooms?
Thank you Laura for starting us off =
on the
discussion list. We’re new to this site and discussion =
format. As
the intersection of ESL and Basic writing grows, we see the need for =
talking
across our disciplines to better serve students who resemble each other =
more
and more. Our first question gets at the kinds of =
writing
assignments we give to students that really seem to work =
well: What
have you used that you have really liked or not liked for multilingual
students? Here’s the first question from our module. =
What kinds of writing topics play to students’
strengths, as multi-lingual, multi-cultural writers? Assignments that =
allow for
a variety of voices and experiences work well. Multilingual students, =
like
other basic writers, struggle with feelings of authority when writing, =
and
depending on their experiences with formal education, may have seen =
themselves
as English deficient, rather than as having the strength of multiple
perspective and language.
Here’s how I thought to =
respond to
this post. Why don’t you play with my response and =
let’s send
it together.
Thanks Nalisha. Your examples =
are
really nice ones to get at some of the strengths that students bring =
with them
as multilingual people. I like your reference to Gloria =
Anzaldua’s
work. One thing I remember about her book Borderlands too is =
the
authority she felt to write and publish in both languages, even as she =
wrote
about difficult and oppressive experiences. Did you =
have the
experience with your students that these assignments in more than one =
language
brought out a similar sense of authority? What changed as =
the
students shifted languages?
I would love it if you could =
explain the
ways in which these two assignments build students academic skills =
–
Anzaldua’s work is at once personal and academic – I would =
love to
see my students be able to do that.
I’m new to all of this, but I think that I have =
been
getting responses directly to me at my email address. This =
means that I get
to engage in a great discussion, but it seems like others are missing =
out. If
you want the whole group to see your response, I think you have to cut =
and
paste the address teaching_basic_wr=
iting@mailman.eppg.com
into the To spot on your email. If you hit reply, you will only =
reply to me. Please
correct me if I am wrong.
I would like to move the discussion away from =
assignments
and on to more from our overall discussion thread (at www.mhhe.com/socscience/english/tbw/MurieCollins/murieco=
llins_module.html.
We are interested in any experiences, opinions, thoughts you’ve =
had about
what students experience in their writing classrooms. =
What happens to the multilingual student when they =
are the
only one in a class of monolingual English speakers? Does peer =
review
turn into grammar editing sessions? Is content lost in favor of =
grammar
editing? How can teachers respond to the ideas in the paper and balance =
that
with the language work students often so desperately need? =
A somewhat different question we have is how does the
cultural contexts of texts affect multilingual students? These =
texts
might be what they read, how they respond and they texts they create in =
writing
classes.
I will be out of the office starting 02/15/2007 and will not return until 02/16/2007.
If you need immediate assistance in my absence, please contact Daisuke_Yasutake@hmco.com.
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From colli038@umn.edu Fri Feb 23 19:32:23 2007
From: colli038@umn.edu (Molly Collins)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:32:23 -0600
Subject: [Teaching_Basic_Writing] Playing to Strengths
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Conversation seems to have come to a standstill, making me wonder if maybe
we should do away with the formal questions and simply try to have a
conversation about what works and what doesn't work so well with classrooms
where there are students from different linguistic backgrounds.
For example, in my current writing class my students are writing the life
histories of elders from their communities. They have to find library
research that fills in pieces from the elder's story. In this particular
class I have about 5 students who did poorly in their fall writing class and
came into my writing class with pretty big attitudes about being in class.
In the beginning, before they started their research and the interviews with
the elders, they were pretty rowdy - talking a lot, not taking stuff
seriously. But just this last week I have started to notice a difference in
these students. Because of the assignment, it almost feels like they are
stuck, but in a good way: They have had this experience with the elder,
they want to do a good job because of the relationship they are building and
because of the compelling story they are telling - and they see that to do
that, they have to take themselves, the assignment and their research
seriously - now they want to know how to put the library research into the
story and make it sound good. So, same students, same teacher - but
something has changed in how the students see themselves, their position as
writers. So, to me this is an assignment that really works.
Not all experiences are so happy though. I constantly struggle with peer
review for example. I want students to really take on the challenge of each
other's writing. I want them to take it seriously and respond to content.
But it seems like students want to correct each other's grammar, which I
don't want them to do.
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Conversation seems to have come to a standstill, =
making me
wonder if maybe we should do away with the formal questions and simply =
try to
have a conversation about what works and what doesn’t work so well =
with
classrooms where there are students from different linguistic
backgrounds.
For example, in my current writing class my =
students
are writing the life histories of elders from their communities. =
They
have to find library research that fills in pieces from the =
elder’s
story. In this particular class I have about 5 students who did =
poorly in
their fall writing class and came into my writing class with pretty big
attitudes about being in class. In the beginning, before they =
started
their research and the interviews with the elders, they were pretty =
rowdy
– talking a lot, not taking stuff seriously. But just this =
last
week I have started to notice a difference in these =
students.
Because of the assignment, it almost feels like they are stuck, but in a =
good
way: They have had this experience with the elder, they want to do =
a good
job because of the relationship they are building and because of the =
compelling
story they are telling – and they see that to do that, they have =
to take
themselves, the assignment and their research seriously – now they =
want to
know how to put the library research into the story and make it sound
good. So, same students, same teacher – but something has =
changed
in how the students see themselves, their position as writers. So, =
to me
this is an assignment that really works.
Not all experiences are so happy though. I =
constantly
struggle with peer review for example. I want students to really =
take on
the challenge of each other’s writing. I want them to take =
it
seriously and respond to content. But it seems like students want =
to
correct each other’s grammar, which I don’t want them to do. =
I will be out of the office starting 02/20/2007 and will not return until 02/26/2007. Conversation seems to have come to a =
standstill, =3D=0Amaking me=0Awonder if maybe we should do away with the fo=
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ks and what doesn’t work so well =3D=0Awith=0Aclassrooms where there =
are students from different linguistic=0Abackgrounds. =
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to find library research that fills in pieces from the =3D=0Aelder’s=
=0Astory. In this particular class I have about 5 students who did =
=3D=0Apoorly in=0Atheir fall writing class and came into my writing class w=
ith pretty big=0Aattitudes about being in class. In the beginning, be=
fore they =3D=0Astarted=0Atheir research and the interviews with the elders=
, they were pretty =3D=0Arowdy=0A– talking a lot, not taking stuff se=
riously. But just this =3D=0Alast=0Aweek I have started to notice a d=
ifference in these =3D=0Astudents. =0ABecause of the assignment,=
it almost feels like they are stuck, but in a =3D=0Agood=0Away: They=
have had this experience with the elder, they want to do =3D=0Aa good=0Ajo=
b because of the relationship they are building and because of the =3D=0Aco=
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sly – now they =3D=0Awant to=0Aknow how to put the library research i=
nto the story and make it sound=0Agood. So, same students, same teach=
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217;s grammar, which I don’t want them to do. =3D=0A Maybe I did understate my role, but I have =
had more
success in engaging students in research with this assignment than with =
other research
assignments I have given. I also think it helps to have one =
large project, as
in this course a 15-20 page paper, that students are working on parts of
throughout the semester, so they are building up to the final paper, but =
really
getting engaged in one focus. The strengths are that telling =
one person’s
story gives them some of the structural stuff that they often find =
problematic:
in this assignment there is a clear narrative that usually can be told
chronologically. Then, they have something to evaluate =
research at the
library with: does it fit with my dominant narrative or not? =
I agree with your comments about peer review =
–
as I said in my first email today – modeling is really important. =
But I’m
still frustrated by it a lot of the time. Responding to: Molly =3D0A=3D0AI enjoyed reading about your =
assignment,
your students and you.=3D However, your story gives too much =
credit to the
assignment. I don't belie=3D ve same teacher. You seem to understate =
your role. I
believe I read the acc=3D ount of a thoughtful teacher who designed a =
series of
activities that scaff=3D olded learners at the same time you engaged =
them. You are
making gradual st=3D rength-to-strength moves in this assignment that =
you may not
be explaining =3D to us in the overview description. If you unpacked the
assignment, I'll bet=3D you'll find key turns that build =
confidence and skills
all along the way. =3D =3D0A=3D0APeer response is the same deal. It =
needs to be
explicitly taught, mod=3D eled and then adjusted. Over time. And for =
students, it
takes awhile to bre=3D ak out of the groove of error-focused reading. =
Isn't that
how they have bee=3D n engaged by previous teachers? Of course, they =
will look
for grammar error=3D s.
If you need immediate assistance in my absence, please contact Daisuke_Yasutake@hmco.com.
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From ldenstaedt@ameritech.net Sat Feb 24 19:32:26 2007
From: ldenstaedt@ameritech.net (Linda Denstaedt)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:32:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Teaching_Basic_Writing] Re: Teaching_Basic_Writing digest, Vol 1 #753 - 1 msg
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Mary, =0A=0AI enjoyed reading about your assignment, your students and you.=
However, your story gives too much credit to the assignment. I don't belie=
ve same teacher. You seem to understate your role. I believe I read the acc=
ount of a thoughtful teacher who designed a series of activities that scaff=
olded learners at the same time you engaged them. You are making gradual st=
rength-to-strength moves in this assignment that you may not be explaining =
to us in the overview description. If you unpacked the assignment, I'll bet=
you'll find key turns that build confidence and skills all along the way. =
=0A=0APeer response is the same deal. It needs to be explicitly taught, mod=
eled and then adjusted. Over time. And for students, it takes awhile to bre=
ak out of the groove of error-focused reading. Isn't that how they have bee=
n engaged by previous teachers? Of course, they will look for grammar error=
s. =0A =0ALinda Denstaedt=0A=0ACo-Director Oakland Writing Project =0A=0A=
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Conversation seems to have come to a standstill, making me wonder if m=
aybe
we should do away with the formal questions and simply try to have =
a
conversation about what works and what doesn't work so well with class=
rooms
where there are students from different linguistic backgrounds.&nb=
sp;
For example, in my current writing clas=
s my students are writing the life
histories of elders from their commun=
ities. They have to find library
research that fills in piece=
s from the elder's story. In this particular
class I have abo=
ut 5 students who
did poorly in their fall writing class and
came into my writing class w=
ith pretty big attitudes about being in class.
In the beginning, before =
they started their research and the interviews with
the elders, they wer=
e pretty rowdy - talking a lot, not taking stuff
seriously. B=
ut just this last week I have started to notice a difference in
these st=
udents. Because of the assignment, it almost feels like they ar=
e
stuck, but in a good way: They have had this experience wit=
h the elder,
they want to do a good job because of the relationship they=
are building and
because of the compelling story they are telling - and=
they see that to do
that, they have to take themselves, the assignment =
and their research
seriously - now they want to know how to put the libr=
ary research into the
story and make it sound good. So, same =
students, same teacher - but
something has changed in how the students s=
ee
themselves, their position as
writers. So, to me this is an =
assignment that really works.
Not all experiences are so ha=
ppy though. I constantly struggle with peer
review for exampl=
e. I want students to really take on the challenge of each
ot=
her's writing. I want them to take it seriously and respond to c=
ontent.
But it seems like students want to correct each other's grammar,=
which I
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try to
have a conversation ab=
out what works and what doesn’t work so well =3D
with
class=
rooms where there are students from different linguistic
backgrounds.&am=
p;nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 face=3D3DArial><span=
=3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&a=
mp;nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=
=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2
face=3D3DArial><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-fam=
ily:Arial'>For example, in my current writing class my =3D
=
students
are writing the life histories of elders from their communities=
. =3D
They
have to find library research that fills in piec=
es from the =3D
elder’s
story. In this particular=
class I have about 5 students who did =3D
poorly in
their fall writi=
ng class and came into my writing class with pretty big
attitudes about =
being in class. In the beginning, before they =3D
started
t=
heir research and the interviews with the elders, they were pretty =3D
r=
owdy
– talking a lot, not taking stuff seriously. Bu=
t just this =3D
last
week I have started to notice a difference in th=
ese =3D
students.
Because of the assignment, it a=
lmost feels like they are stuck, but in a =3D
good
way: The=
y have had this experience with the
elder, they want to do =3D
a good
job because of the relationship th=
ey are building and because of the =3D
compelling
story they are tell=
ing – and they see that to do that, they have =3D
to take
t=
hemselves, the assignment and their research seriously – now they=
=3D
want to
know how to put the library research into the story and =
make it sound
good. So, same students, same teacher –=
; but something has =3D
changed
in how the students see themselves, t=
heir position as writers. So, =3D
to me
this is an assignme=
nt that really works. <o:p></o:p></span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 face=3D3DAri=
al><span =3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>=
;<o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<=
BR><p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 face=3D3DArial><s=
pan
=3D
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Not all exper=
iences are so happy though. I =3D
constantly
struggle with =
peer review for example. I want students to really =3D
take on=
the challenge of each other’s writing. I want them =
to take =3D
it
seriously and respond to content. But it see=
ms like students want =3D
to
correct each other’s grammar, =
which I don’t want them to do. =3D
<o:p></o:p><=
/span></font></p>
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